PC vs BB

Version one did let you tekk every rare. It was annoying though. If you had to tekk every single one that fell, you'd be annoyed too. Think about how often the regular rares drop. They aren't marked as ?SPECIAL WEAPON, because they aren't unique in look. Notice unique looking weapons can be tekked. The regular rares just change color. They actually have unique appearances on V3.

Also, V3 more balanced? Inb4IvesOMFGGTFOOUTTAMAHFORUMZ!

Seismica wrote:I don't like the fact that some special weapons (well the common ones) drop teched, which means you can't tech the stats, so you are effectively losing 10% off an attribute. I suppose this doesn't matter in the later levels, but it is damn annoying.

The trouble is that in the Ver.1/2 drops, Sega defined those rares as basic drops instead of rare drops. Each enemy that can drop weapons (or is it by floor?) has a range of weapons that it can drop by tier, i.e. the rank of the weapon in its series (Gladius -> DB's Saber -> Kaladbolg). Because Ver.1/2 allow the "basic" rares to be in the regular drops, they drop like hotcakes. In GC, the highest regular drops go is the maximum basic item (Sabers stop at Gladius). While you are losing the ability to Tek +10%, it's really annoying finding a ?SPECIAL WEAPON, and then having it turn out to be a DB's Saber. (To some extent, this is the same on GC, since those items are still fairly common.) It's also not a big loss, because those items are useless crap anyway compared to real rares.

Wing wrote:Also, V3 more balanced? Inb4IvesOMFGGTFOOUTTAMAHFORUMZ!

It's true that Ver.3 is more balanced- in some ways.

Seismica wrote:I think version 2 is too biased towards hunters. The fact that HUmars can learn shifta overpowers them.

This is one such example. HUmar is a very broken class because he has so much ATP, and Ver.2 is biased towards Hunters. Ver.3 doesn't really fix anything though, because it's just biased towards Rangers instead of Hunters. Especially in Episode II, the game is massively unfair to anyone who wants to melee. If you don't fight long-range, you get raped. Sega fails at balance I'm afraid, and all I can try to do is damage control. I'm a bit limited in how much better I can make things since I don't have source code with which to enact the massive engine changes that are truly necessary to fix imbalances. If I could just edit the max stats, that would go a long way towards fixing a lot of the problems... Oh well.

Wing wrote:You mean Episode 3? Version 3 is Episode 1 and 2, because it's the third version of the original Phantasy Star Online. Episode 3 was it's own thing since the gameplay totally changed. Storyline, music, graphics, everything about Episode 3 was nice... except the gameplay to me. If I want to go play cards, I'll bust out the UNO deck. xD

You are correct, thats the one I was thinking of. I suppose that particular game is just a case of preference about gameplay, but it was well made hehe. All this talk of new and improved changes for PSO doesnt half excite me. This is what it should have been like back in the day! Sega contacting their fan base and seeing what changes needed to be made. Course, we have Sega V.2 Aleron Ives!

Wing wrote:They actually have unique appearances on V3.

Unique appearences allows you to keep/drop certain special weapons you find. Although you end up dropping them with low %s like you do on V2. And because the drop rate is much higher for the rare-rares on V3, you tend to get a lot more variety in weapon drops, instead of getting the same rares over and over like you do in V2 (i wonder if Ives managed to fix this, we can hope )

Aleron Ives wrote: Because Ver.1/2 allow the "basic" rares to be in the regular drops, they drop like hotcakes. In GC, the highest regular drops go is the maximum basic item (Sabers stop at Gladius). While you are losing the ability to Tek +10%, it's really annoying finding a ?SPECIAL WEAPON, and then having it turn out to be a DB's Saber. (To some extent, this is the same on GC, since those items are still fairly common.) It's also not a big loss, because those items are useless crap anyway compared to real rares.

Well i said i never really got past lvl 105 on V3, so those common rares with high %s were all i really used (as i never ever found a red handgun, are they super rare on V3 or something?). We found some decent rares, but they seemed to be hunter weapons. Must have been the section id of the first player, as he was always player 1

Aleron Ives wrote:

Wing wrote:Also, V3 more balanced? Inb4IvesOMFGGTFOOUTTAMAHFORUMZ!

It's true that Ver.3 is more balanced- in some ways.

But it did change some things for the worse. V3 has the same limits for material as BB does right? I never found enough materials to find that out on V3. Oh and another thing, Grinders are a lot more common on V2. Go through Ruins on Hard and you can easily find +20 worth of grinders. On V3 you were lucky if you got 1 Trigrinder or Digrinder per stage. and Monogrinders in the shop were rare too.

Aleron Ives wrote:This is one such example. HUmar is a very broken class because he has so much ATP, and Ver.2 is biased towards Hunters. Ver.3 doesn't really fix anything though, because it's just biased towards Rangers instead of Hunters. If I could just edit the max stats, that would go a long way towards fixing a lot of the problems... Oh well.

Oh that explains it... I was a RAmar in V3, and it made me more equal to my mate's HUmar character because i had shifta and he didn't. But in V2 rangers struggle to compete, not just because of the lack of rare weapons for the ranger classes. It doesn't mean they are that bad, it just means that they have to wait a little longer than Hunters before they can handle ultimate because of their lack in ATP. In V3 HUmars struggled the same as rangers did, so the classes were a little more balanced in that respect.

I think the bulk of the problems are level 80-100, and thats the absence of a 5th difficulty as you mentioned on another thread. My problems are just increased by the fact i am a RAcast and can't cast shifta, but a RAmar with shifta is still outmatched by a HUmar without, due to the more powerful weapons that hunters can equip ontop of their higher base ATP.

Seismica wrote:Well i said i never really got past lvl 105 on V3, so those common rares with high %s were all i really used (as i never ever found a red handgun, are they super rare on V3 or something?).

I believe RHG drops from Pal Rappy or something in GC, and maybe one other enemy, but of course only on like two IDs. That's one thing I hate about the GC drop system- all the IDs are way too unique. Unless you have one of each ID or trade a lot, you can't get the items you want.

Seismica wrote:But it did change some things for the worse. V3 has the same limits for material as BB does right?

Yes. Materials are limted on GC and BB the same way.

Seismica wrote:Oh that explains it... I was a RAmar in V3, and it made me more equal to my mate's HUmar character because i had shifta and he didn't. But in V2 rangers struggle to compete, not just because of the lack of rare weapons for the ranger classes. It doesn't mean they are that bad, it just means that they have to wait a little longer than Hunters before they can handle ultimate because of their lack in ATP. In V3 HUmars struggled the same as rangers did, so the classes were a little more balanced in that respect.

Rangers are only bad compared to Hunters because their ATP growth is slow. The lack of weapons is due to the drops- it just so happens that Sega made the only obtainable drops Hunter only weapons, so Rangers get screwed. Since all items are findable with my new rates, Rangers have access to the weapons that Sega denied them, which makes them far more effective. My RAcast is more powerful than my HUnewearl, BTW. Only RAmar has low base ATP.

Seismica wrote:I think the bulk of the problems are level 80-100, and thats the absence of a 5th difficulty as you mentioned on another thread. My problems are just increased by the fact i am a RAcast and can't cast shifta, but a RAmar with shifta is still outmatched by a HUmar without, due to the more powerful weapons that hunters can equip ontop of their higher base ATP.

I doubt that a RAmar with Shifta would do less damage than a HUmar without. Shifta and Zalure are more important than base stats by miles. FOmarl does more damage when soloing than HUnewearl does, even though she has some 300 less base ATP. Level 30 Techniques make a huge difference.

Tell me about it. 8D

I love mah forze!

Aleron Ives wrote:Shifta and Zalure are more important than base stats by miles.

So what you are saying is, i picked a RAcast, which despite the accuracy, is one of the weakest characters for dealing damage when soloing because it can't cast shifta? (and i love to solo, you rarely see me online... kinda why i didn't like PSU, offline mode sucked!)

Seismica wrote:

Aleron Ives wrote:Shifta and Zalure are more important than base stats by miles.

So what you are saying is, i picked a RAcast, which despite the accuracy, is one of the weakest characters for dealing damage when soloing because it can't cast shifta?

Yes. (Don't forget Zalure.)

Droids suck at soloing. They contribute greatly to team play, but they are the most difficult to use alone.

makes sense, first time i got to ulty with my RAcast back like years ago i was wondering why i did 0 dmg at lvl 62 XD, was like, ultimate eh? lets try my...Raygun...oh....miss miss 0 dmg XD

actually, the first time i ever used an organic character was my HUmar on here lmao

Droids don't have nearly as much trouble offline as they do online, and online they are only handicapped in Mine/Ruins. Forest/Cave DFP values are so pansy that S/Z are not needed to rape the enemies. Of course with Ludicrous mode, that's no longer the case.

you and your mode lol, actually im kinda curious to try it now, of course not immediately though, dont wanna get destroyed too quickly

In any case im raising another racast atm and if I can finish cmode and get s rank time, I might make it my main depending on my weapon choice

Hey, it goes with better drops and better weapon stats. ;D

Everyone on BB is an Asshole who always wanna be Sonic, Tails and Knuckles all the time

EvilMag wrote:Everyone on BB is an Asshole who always wanna be Sonic, Tails and Knuckles all the time

not quite

just most of the people are

BB is the version that's easiest to sign up for and install so obviously it's gonna have more idiots

MuCast wrote:it seems like the community of v2 is split, about 60% hacker and 40% legit,

So six hackers and four legits? XD